http://freethoughtforums.com/ Wed, 22 May 2013 07:25:55 +0000 MyBB http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-157.html Tue, 21 May 2013 23:02:19 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-157.html politics. The religious beliefs of people have always directed political
outcomes, but there is a new emphasis on placing one's beliefs at the forefront
of political action. This goes for both atheists and theists. As a result, new
arguments, conversations, and legislative bills are causing increased conflict.





I'm writing this post as a guide to approaching
conversations with others of different beliefs, as the norms of interaction
seem to be ineffective at best, and often have a polarizing effect. I have been
on both of the far ends of the theist-atheist spectrum over the course of my
life, and have discussed and argued about religion for years in person, through
video chat, and through writing. This post represents "Best
practices" for engagement by both sides, though the voice will often be
from an atheist's perspective.








1) The most important thing to do when engaging is to focus
on what the other person fears - not simply what they feel strongly about or
are prepared the most/least to argue. In my experience, theists are often
afraid of being dismissed, relegated to silent corners, and persecuted - both
in the immediate, and by society at a whole in the future. Atheists are most
afraid of finding out that they have the facts wrong, that they can't come up
with answers, and that their general anxiety about some topics might indicate
that they are wrong about matters of life-changing importance.





Very few theists I've met feel comfortable to the point that
they're unconcerned with the symbols and words of their religion disappearing
from the public eye. Those who are tend to have had a very secular upbringing
with personal religious observance.





Very few atheists I've met feel comfortable to the point
that they don't feel a need to know where the universe came from and aren't
occasionally worried about something happening to them after death. Those who
are tend to have always been surrounded by an atheistic worldview.





2) You must be willing to admit your own fears in order for
the door to real conversation to open. If you do not have any fears related to
the topic at large, you must at least be able to demonstrate that you can
understand those fears. Few people will ever be convinced by someone that they
feel is either too arrogant or too stupid to understand the fears associated
with the topic.





3) Stick to what the other person believes. Arguing against
an atheist by bringing up infamous atheists or things other atheists have said
will be ineffective and upsetting. The same goes for arguing against a theist
by bringing up infamous theists or things that other theists believe. Common
errors of this type include bringing up intelligent design, the origin of the
universe, the bible, and abortion.





Note about the bible: It seems obvious to many atheists that
the bible should be the primary object to attack - especially if a theist
references it. This is incorrect. What matters is what the theist believes to
be the case - regardless of the source. Even if you show that the construction
of the documents that were later collected into what is called "the
bible" provides many problematic issues for a theist, the theist's beliefs
might still remain - and you'll have wasted a lot of time.





When a theist asks for someone to disprove the bible,
they're often really asking for reasons why their beliefs should be shaken.
Theistic beliefs really aren't grounded in the bible itself - it's more of a
symbol of their web of beliefs. The theist might even believe that the bible is
really the key; but I have never met a theist whose mind was changed once s/he
abandoned the bible as a source for a belief. Often, something else shakes the
person's sense of certainty, and their own research afterward leads them to
reject the bible as a source of information.





Note about abortion: Atheists' views on abortion span the
full spectrum from "all life is sacred" to "all life can be
thrown away". Moreover, the position of "all life can be thrown
away" is often thought by theists to be a sort of checkmate - proof of
atheists' immorality and idiotic beliefs. However, there are many atheists who
provide detailed and convincing arguments that show such expendability to be
part of a larger, highly ethical worldview.





4) Focus on the big questions first. It is tempting to get
into the details of arguments - especially when you are highly informed about a
subject - whether scientific or doctrinal in nature. However, the most
convincing arguments are also the most easy to understand. They are more
difficult to refute, and easier to remember. However, simple arguments that do
not focus on precise issues should be avoided.





For example:





Avoid: The world is so complex and beautiful that there must
be a creator. Can't you feel it?


- This has many variations and uses many examples, but is a
very broad argument that quickly falls into arguing over highly specific
information. Moreover, it's a claim about a "creator" - which is
better served by an argument about the existence of the universe itself. Still
more importantly, the argument appeals to emotion and sense of wonder, rather
than logic.





Avoid: There is too much evil in the world. Doesn't it feel
wrong that a god would let that happen?


- Again, there are many variations on this, and the argument
ultimately boils down to arguing over details about how and why religious
entities operate. It appears to appeal to logic, but too much information is
missing to make a judgment. Ultimately, this is another emotional argument.





Use: It doesn't make sense to me that the universe simply
came into being. Something had to start the process and organize it, or else I
don't understand why the universe doesn't just stop existing and why there are
scientific laws.


- This addresses one topic very clearly - the origin and
organization of the universe. It seems that there should be a logical answer to
this question.





Use: It doesn't make sense to me that good people live in a
world so full of hardship even though they seek guidance. If there is a god and
it wants people to be happy and praise it, why do good people's prayers go
unanswered, and why isn't there more obvious guidance on how we should live our
lives? It doesn't make sense to me that god expects people to wait for signs,
and then have to interpret them. I wouldn't do that to my kid.


- This addresses one topic very clearly - and isn't set on a
broad issue like the origin (or degree of) evil in the universe. It seems that
there should be a logical answer to this question.





Ultimately, I went from wanting to be a minister to being an
atheist because the questions I couldn't answer related to atheism were
scientific in nature, and the questions I couldn't answer related to god were
personal in nature. Science may yet have answers for questions about the universe
in the future - but I went for years without answers about my relationship with
god. And if god wanted a relationship (if god is a thinking, acting thing at
all), then it only made sense that I should have received some answers.





In the end, I couldn't go on believing something that I not
only had no explanation or evidence for, but I had every reason to think
shouldn't be the case - a human-like god that didn't communicate. After I
discarded that belief, I realized that there wasn't really a reason to believe
anything related to religion.





5) Let the other person have their personal reaction to
arguments without judgment. A theist may be presented with many compelling
arguments, but still believe what they believe. Religious beliefs are not just
a matter of facts - they are a matter of psychological programming, social
acceptance, and much more. Beliefs are very hard to change, much less discard.
There was nothing that anyone could have done to make me change my mind when I
was a theist - becoming an atheist was a gradual and personal process that I
experienced. There are atheists who have experiences that lead them to become
theists - and no arguments can speed up or slow down their path.





6) Most importantly, show constant respect for the person
that you do not understand and do not agree with. Insults, dismissals,
badgering, and pressuring all shut down conversations and the process of
self-discovery. You may be tempted to push someone because you feel that their
beliefs are harming them, that they could have a better life with different
beliefs, or that their beliefs are harming others - but any negative action
will only create new problems. The more pressuring and attacking you do, the
more conversations become arguments, and the more that arguments start to feel
like team sports - and team sports only result in injuries and polarization.]]> politics. The religious beliefs of people have always directed political
outcomes, but there is a new emphasis on placing one's beliefs at the forefront
of political action. This goes for both atheists and theists. As a result, new
arguments, conversations, and legislative bills are causing increased conflict.





I'm writing this post as a guide to approaching
conversations with others of different beliefs, as the norms of interaction
seem to be ineffective at best, and often have a polarizing effect. I have been
on both of the far ends of the theist-atheist spectrum over the course of my
life, and have discussed and argued about religion for years in person, through
video chat, and through writing. This post represents "Best
practices" for engagement by both sides, though the voice will often be
from an atheist's perspective.








1) The most important thing to do when engaging is to focus
on what the other person fears - not simply what they feel strongly about or
are prepared the most/least to argue. In my experience, theists are often
afraid of being dismissed, relegated to silent corners, and persecuted - both
in the immediate, and by society at a whole in the future. Atheists are most
afraid of finding out that they have the facts wrong, that they can't come up
with answers, and that their general anxiety about some topics might indicate
that they are wrong about matters of life-changing importance.





Very few theists I've met feel comfortable to the point that
they're unconcerned with the symbols and words of their religion disappearing
from the public eye. Those who are tend to have had a very secular upbringing
with personal religious observance.





Very few atheists I've met feel comfortable to the point
that they don't feel a need to know where the universe came from and aren't
occasionally worried about something happening to them after death. Those who
are tend to have always been surrounded by an atheistic worldview.





2) You must be willing to admit your own fears in order for
the door to real conversation to open. If you do not have any fears related to
the topic at large, you must at least be able to demonstrate that you can
understand those fears. Few people will ever be convinced by someone that they
feel is either too arrogant or too stupid to understand the fears associated
with the topic.





3) Stick to what the other person believes. Arguing against
an atheist by bringing up infamous atheists or things other atheists have said
will be ineffective and upsetting. The same goes for arguing against a theist
by bringing up infamous theists or things that other theists believe. Common
errors of this type include bringing up intelligent design, the origin of the
universe, the bible, and abortion.





Note about the bible: It seems obvious to many atheists that
the bible should be the primary object to attack - especially if a theist
references it. This is incorrect. What matters is what the theist believes to
be the case - regardless of the source. Even if you show that the construction
of the documents that were later collected into what is called "the
bible" provides many problematic issues for a theist, the theist's beliefs
might still remain - and you'll have wasted a lot of time.





When a theist asks for someone to disprove the bible,
they're often really asking for reasons why their beliefs should be shaken.
Theistic beliefs really aren't grounded in the bible itself - it's more of a
symbol of their web of beliefs. The theist might even believe that the bible is
really the key; but I have never met a theist whose mind was changed once s/he
abandoned the bible as a source for a belief. Often, something else shakes the
person's sense of certainty, and their own research afterward leads them to
reject the bible as a source of information.





Note about abortion: Atheists' views on abortion span the
full spectrum from "all life is sacred" to "all life can be
thrown away". Moreover, the position of "all life can be thrown
away" is often thought by theists to be a sort of checkmate - proof of
atheists' immorality and idiotic beliefs. However, there are many atheists who
provide detailed and convincing arguments that show such expendability to be
part of a larger, highly ethical worldview.





4) Focus on the big questions first. It is tempting to get
into the details of arguments - especially when you are highly informed about a
subject - whether scientific or doctrinal in nature. However, the most
convincing arguments are also the most easy to understand. They are more
difficult to refute, and easier to remember. However, simple arguments that do
not focus on precise issues should be avoided.





For example:





Avoid: The world is so complex and beautiful that there must
be a creator. Can't you feel it?


- This has many variations and uses many examples, but is a
very broad argument that quickly falls into arguing over highly specific
information. Moreover, it's a claim about a "creator" - which is
better served by an argument about the existence of the universe itself. Still
more importantly, the argument appeals to emotion and sense of wonder, rather
than logic.





Avoid: There is too much evil in the world. Doesn't it feel
wrong that a god would let that happen?


- Again, there are many variations on this, and the argument
ultimately boils down to arguing over details about how and why religious
entities operate. It appears to appeal to logic, but too much information is
missing to make a judgment. Ultimately, this is another emotional argument.





Use: It doesn't make sense to me that the universe simply
came into being. Something had to start the process and organize it, or else I
don't understand why the universe doesn't just stop existing and why there are
scientific laws.


- This addresses one topic very clearly - the origin and
organization of the universe. It seems that there should be a logical answer to
this question.





Use: It doesn't make sense to me that good people live in a
world so full of hardship even though they seek guidance. If there is a god and
it wants people to be happy and praise it, why do good people's prayers go
unanswered, and why isn't there more obvious guidance on how we should live our
lives? It doesn't make sense to me that god expects people to wait for signs,
and then have to interpret them. I wouldn't do that to my kid.


- This addresses one topic very clearly - and isn't set on a
broad issue like the origin (or degree of) evil in the universe. It seems that
there should be a logical answer to this question.





Ultimately, I went from wanting to be a minister to being an
atheist because the questions I couldn't answer related to atheism were
scientific in nature, and the questions I couldn't answer related to god were
personal in nature. Science may yet have answers for questions about the universe
in the future - but I went for years without answers about my relationship with
god. And if god wanted a relationship (if god is a thinking, acting thing at
all), then it only made sense that I should have received some answers.





In the end, I couldn't go on believing something that I not
only had no explanation or evidence for, but I had every reason to think
shouldn't be the case - a human-like god that didn't communicate. After I
discarded that belief, I realized that there wasn't really a reason to believe
anything related to religion.





5) Let the other person have their personal reaction to
arguments without judgment. A theist may be presented with many compelling
arguments, but still believe what they believe. Religious beliefs are not just
a matter of facts - they are a matter of psychological programming, social
acceptance, and much more. Beliefs are very hard to change, much less discard.
There was nothing that anyone could have done to make me change my mind when I
was a theist - becoming an atheist was a gradual and personal process that I
experienced. There are atheists who have experiences that lead them to become
theists - and no arguments can speed up or slow down their path.





6) Most importantly, show constant respect for the person
that you do not understand and do not agree with. Insults, dismissals,
badgering, and pressuring all shut down conversations and the process of
self-discovery. You may be tempted to push someone because you feel that their
beliefs are harming them, that they could have a better life with different
beliefs, or that their beliefs are harming others - but any negative action
will only create new problems. The more pressuring and attacking you do, the
more conversations become arguments, and the more that arguments start to feel
like team sports - and team sports only result in injuries and polarization.]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-156.html Tue, 21 May 2013 23:01:16 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-156.html
I've maintained friendships with theists of all types ever since, and have hosted conversation groups to get people to move past the common antagonistic arguments, talk about their experiences, and enjoy some activities together. It has been far more productive than the debates I used to host, though not nearly as effective as I'd hoped.

Those are the basics about me. Any questions?]]>
I've maintained friendships with theists of all types ever since, and have hosted conversation groups to get people to move past the common antagonistic arguments, talk about their experiences, and enjoy some activities together. It has been far more productive than the debates I used to host, though not nearly as effective as I'd hoped.

Those are the basics about me. Any questions?]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-155.html Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:06:08 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-155.html
The agnostic historian Durant called the critiques of the Gospels "minutae" and said that for a few simple men to have invented Jesus in one generation would be a miracle more incredible than anything recorded in the Gospels. He questioned the resurrection, but not the accounts of it, suggesting with Schonfield that Jesus swooned and did not himself know that he was not raised by God.

Einstein, at least as a young man, asked who could not feel close to "the Nazarene" of the Gospels, although he later distanced himself. Of course we all know he did his best thinking as a youth.

Franklin went the other direction, quoting the New Testament more as he grew older, and while not a Christian by most definitions, he promoted George Whitefield's preaching by building him a place to preach out of the rain, at his own expense.

Jefferson called Jesus' teachings "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever recorded." He did not believe the miracles, but his hero, John Locke, did believe them, all of them. Locke also calls Jesus "our Lord." (See The Reasonableness of Christianity by Locke)

Ghandi called the crucifixion a "perfect act" of love.

I could go on, but the point is that real freethinkers include many highly intelligent and skeptical people who became Christians. They believe partly because they are skeptical of skepticism, of the simplistic, illogical and gratuitous arguments that the Gospels are false records. They realize that the burden is on the critic to prove they are false. Calling people deluded or dishonest requires proof, especially when they had nothing to gain but persecution. (A historic fact).]]>
The agnostic historian Durant called the critiques of the Gospels "minutae" and said that for a few simple men to have invented Jesus in one generation would be a miracle more incredible than anything recorded in the Gospels. He questioned the resurrection, but not the accounts of it, suggesting with Schonfield that Jesus swooned and did not himself know that he was not raised by God.

Einstein, at least as a young man, asked who could not feel close to "the Nazarene" of the Gospels, although he later distanced himself. Of course we all know he did his best thinking as a youth.

Franklin went the other direction, quoting the New Testament more as he grew older, and while not a Christian by most definitions, he promoted George Whitefield's preaching by building him a place to preach out of the rain, at his own expense.

Jefferson called Jesus' teachings "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals ever recorded." He did not believe the miracles, but his hero, John Locke, did believe them, all of them. Locke also calls Jesus "our Lord." (See The Reasonableness of Christianity by Locke)

Ghandi called the crucifixion a "perfect act" of love.

I could go on, but the point is that real freethinkers include many highly intelligent and skeptical people who became Christians. They believe partly because they are skeptical of skepticism, of the simplistic, illogical and gratuitous arguments that the Gospels are false records. They realize that the burden is on the critic to prove they are false. Calling people deluded or dishonest requires proof, especially when they had nothing to gain but persecution. (A historic fact).]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-154.html Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:25:14 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-154.html ]]> ]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-153.html Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:42:33 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-153.html
My general philosophy is that the questions are more important than answers. And I believe my opinions are the least important part of me. My overall perspective comes from a study of Emmanuel Swedenborg, although I am not a member of the official New Church. Among other things, Swedenborg's sorietology focuses on Christus Victorious as opposed to Atonement. I recognize that identifying as a Christian may be misleading to some here, since New Church theology is very different from the Catholic or Evangelical ones.

That said I hope that most of you will come to know me as a serious contributor. I have less time to participate than I would like and and prefer to ponder the posts of others before adding my own. I try to stay more reflective than reactive and hope to earn your respect.

Thank you for this opportunity.]]>
My general philosophy is that the questions are more important than answers. And I believe my opinions are the least important part of me. My overall perspective comes from a study of Emmanuel Swedenborg, although I am not a member of the official New Church. Among other things, Swedenborg's sorietology focuses on Christus Victorious as opposed to Atonement. I recognize that identifying as a Christian may be misleading to some here, since New Church theology is very different from the Catholic or Evangelical ones.

That said I hope that most of you will come to know me as a serious contributor. I have less time to participate than I would like and and prefer to ponder the posts of others before adding my own. I try to stay more reflective than reactive and hope to earn your respect.

Thank you for this opportunity.]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-152.html Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:49:32 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-152.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-151.html Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:29:16 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-151.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-150.html Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:09:44 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-150.html
My name is Victor. I found this forum via atheistforums.org and I am looking forward to many discussions ranging over a vast number of topics.

A little about me:

I am currently a graduate student studying neuropsychology, with my research focusing on sensory function/dysfunction and neuroanatomical differences in various neurological and psychiatric disorders. My undergraduate studies focused on psychology and philosophy, and I am very interested in politics, history, biology/genetics, and various other fields. I love to learn and to challenge myself and others, and hate accepting the status quo unless there is good reason (ie. evidence). I play guitar and love music, and hope to meet some interesting people!]]>
My name is Victor. I found this forum via atheistforums.org and I am looking forward to many discussions ranging over a vast number of topics.

A little about me:

I am currently a graduate student studying neuropsychology, with my research focusing on sensory function/dysfunction and neuroanatomical differences in various neurological and psychiatric disorders. My undergraduate studies focused on psychology and philosophy, and I am very interested in politics, history, biology/genetics, and various other fields. I love to learn and to challenge myself and others, and hate accepting the status quo unless there is good reason (ie. evidence). I play guitar and love music, and hope to meet some interesting people!]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-147.html Sun, 23 Dec 2012 21:34:07 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-147.html
I am one of the Moderators at AtheistForums.org offering up some of my "free thoughts."
That's right - you don't have to pay me a dime for them. They're free-bees.

Cheers.
]]>
I am one of the Moderators at AtheistForums.org offering up some of my "free thoughts."
That's right - you don't have to pay me a dime for them. They're free-bees.

Cheers.
]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-146.html Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:52:26 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-146.html I wasn't sure where to post this but here goes anyway!!!
In a nutshell/ nutcase:
My husband is a Christian and has decided to further his search to find god , which I do support. We have been married for 12 years.
I'm an athiest
He does get quite defensive when we try to have a discussion around religion, so we agreed just not to talk about it
His whole family are Christian and his dad asked me if we could have a 'healthy discussion rather than there being an elephant in the room' ... His words. Personally I have not found that mine and my husbands beliefs have ever been an issue, but the ante appears to have escalated in his new found faith
The 'discussion' happened yesterday, it went ok, we agreed to disagree on some points and had some common ground, though i didnt 'rock the boat ' I remained firm in my demeanour . As he was leaving , he said he and the rest of the family would 'pray for me and hope I would find god' , I just gave him a hug and didn't confront this ( though I did feel like saying don't pray for me and I'll not think in your church) . He said 'it is a matter of life and death, it's that important'. I asked clarify: basically , if I don't accept god in my life then I will go to hell!!!
I was shocked to say the least. Then again why should I be shocked??? I don't believe that we all meet up after death , that we are all sinners on earth and I don't believe in heaven. I hadn't really considered hell too much, but I guess I don't believe in It either !!
I told I felt that this was aggressive and punitive, his reply' well that's how it is'
Having reflected, I can only think of Hitch and his summing up at the American baptist church, I have played a favourite clip of mine on YouTube 'hitchens tribute' which is his reply and set to the music of devotchka 'how it ends'
It's helped me gain some focus
Thanks for reading folks
Xxx]]> I wasn't sure where to post this but here goes anyway!!!
In a nutshell/ nutcase:
My husband is a Christian and has decided to further his search to find god , which I do support. We have been married for 12 years.
I'm an athiest
He does get quite defensive when we try to have a discussion around religion, so we agreed just not to talk about it
His whole family are Christian and his dad asked me if we could have a 'healthy discussion rather than there being an elephant in the room' ... His words. Personally I have not found that mine and my husbands beliefs have ever been an issue, but the ante appears to have escalated in his new found faith
The 'discussion' happened yesterday, it went ok, we agreed to disagree on some points and had some common ground, though i didnt 'rock the boat ' I remained firm in my demeanour . As he was leaving , he said he and the rest of the family would 'pray for me and hope I would find god' , I just gave him a hug and didn't confront this ( though I did feel like saying don't pray for me and I'll not think in your church) . He said 'it is a matter of life and death, it's that important'. I asked clarify: basically , if I don't accept god in my life then I will go to hell!!!
I was shocked to say the least. Then again why should I be shocked??? I don't believe that we all meet up after death , that we are all sinners on earth and I don't believe in heaven. I hadn't really considered hell too much, but I guess I don't believe in It either !!
I told I felt that this was aggressive and punitive, his reply' well that's how it is'
Having reflected, I can only think of Hitch and his summing up at the American baptist church, I have played a favourite clip of mine on YouTube 'hitchens tribute' which is his reply and set to the music of devotchka 'how it ends'
It's helped me gain some focus
Thanks for reading folks
Xxx]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-145.html Sun, 18 Nov 2012 14:39:21 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-145.html I was referred here by the Atheist Alliance International. I am looking for resources in the form of books (digital or paper) and journal articles in my research on atheism. I have found many sources online, especially free ones, but these texts are not always very recent. What I would like to have are more texts on Carvaka, the athropology/psychology/sociology of religion, ancient Greek and Roman literature, Asian religion/philosophy, writings from the Middle Ages, writings from the French Revolution, 19th/20th/21st century literature, any and all journals with atheism related articles. If you have any digital copies or website referrals, please post them under this article. If you have any book or journals that you can send me, please e-mail me at alarkie101@yahoo.com for more information. Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all very much,
Abigail Larkie]]> I was referred here by the Atheist Alliance International. I am looking for resources in the form of books (digital or paper) and journal articles in my research on atheism. I have found many sources online, especially free ones, but these texts are not always very recent. What I would like to have are more texts on Carvaka, the athropology/psychology/sociology of religion, ancient Greek and Roman literature, Asian religion/philosophy, writings from the Middle Ages, writings from the French Revolution, 19th/20th/21st century literature, any and all journals with atheism related articles. If you have any digital copies or website referrals, please post them under this article. If you have any book or journals that you can send me, please e-mail me at alarkie101@yahoo.com for more information. Any and all donations will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all very much,
Abigail Larkie]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-143.html Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:49:25 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-143.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-142.html Fri, 05 Oct 2012 07:46:59 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-142.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-141.html Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:20:03 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-141.html My roommate and I have been working quite diligently on a film that I think you all may enjoy, please, watch the trailer and give me ANY feedback or criticisms.
If you support what we are doing, please share! =D

Thanks for looking!

indiegogo.com/wearenotmonsters


-sam]]> My roommate and I have been working quite diligently on a film that I think you all may enjoy, please, watch the trailer and give me ANY feedback or criticisms.
If you support what we are doing, please share! =D

Thanks for looking!

indiegogo.com/wearenotmonsters


-sam]]> http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-136.html Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:27:56 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-136.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-134.html Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:38:06 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-134.html http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-133.html Tue, 21 Aug 2012 08:13:59 +0000 http://freethoughtforums.com/thread-133.html

Since I am currently winning, Napoleon better get his lil' ass over here.

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Since I am currently winning, Napoleon better get his lil' ass over here.

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